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Senate How should Education be reformed?

Discussion in 'Community' started by Ghost, Aug 5, 2012.

  1. Jabba-wocky Jedi Grand Master

    I don't think you even understand what you're quoting. In the first place, the press release says that charter schools that take those steps tend to do better than charter schools that do not. That's different than saying those schools do better than their public school counterparts.

    As to why I'm "scared," that should be pretty obvious. Charter schools have already had a pretty broad adoption, and haven't worked out that well. There's not really anything else to say until you finally address this point and quit trying to make some weird abstract argument about Republicans and President Obama. I don't care. If the evidence suggests it doesn't work, I'm not eager to keep doing it. Period.
  2. Ghost Jedi Grand Master

    Ok, we've been talking about giving schools more flexibility, but flexibility and experimentation without any guidelines is rather reckless and probably why so many charter schools don't perform as well as planned. So, specifically, what new curriculum and methods should be adopted?

    Two alternative Education models have been mentioned so far:
    * International Baccalaureate
    * Montessori

    Are there others?

    What are the advantages and disadvantages of each?
  3. harpuah Force Ghost

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  4. WriterMan Jedi Master

    Hmm. Seems this thread has drifted a wee bit. It went from "How should we reform the school systems?" to "Charter Schools: yes or no?"
  5. Ghost Jedi Grand Master

    @harpuah , @anakinfansince1983, and anyone else

    Hey, since you both have have some experience with alternative education models like International Baccalaureate and Montessori, what would you say are the biggest advantages and disadvantages of each? Especially when comparing them to the current state of most public schools in the United States?
  6. shanep Manager: Prequel Trilogy/Saga/Lucasfilm

    I'll let them answer for their kids' experience with those two systems, but I can tell you about my own with Montessori.
    I was an apprentice instructor in the Montessori at a local school here for one year.
    It really works best in smaller class sizes because it's so hands on and individual child-based.

    I'm not sure how you could apply it at the macro level across larger classrooms, but maybe it already is. My experience with it was in a smaller classroom of about 10-15 kids.

    That worked very well, but I have limited experience with it. No experience at all in larger classrooms.

    edit:
    One thing I forgot to add. The school I taught Montessori at was elementary level(Primary-5th). I decided that elementary education wasn't for me but the middle and high school options for Montessori in my area and even the region were almost non-existent. This was all before I rediscovered retail.
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  7. anakinfansince1983 Shelf of Shame "Winner"

    Montessori:

    Advantages:

    It is very hands-on, and statistically a great many kids learn that way as opposed to auditorially or visually.

    Because the students work individually, the teacher can more easily adjust the learning material to fit the student's level of achievement, whereas in a traditional classroom, more advanced students might get bored and struggling students might fall behind as the teacher teaches "to the middle".

    Disadvantages:

    Montessori does not work well for students who need an exceptional amount of guidance and/or who are not disciplined enough to work independently. My kids are very independent and self-driven and therefore it works well for them. A child who needs or wants to be told what to do through each step of a learning process and cannot self-guide at all, might not do well with Montessori.

    IB: It is a rigorous program and also very well-rounded, requiring courses in a variety of subjects and also requiring a community service component. It is more globally based than other curricula in US schools, and my understanding is that an IB high school diploma is recognized by universities across Europe (I could be wrong about that, it's been 7 years since I worked in an IB school). Schools that call themselves IB World Schools are certified by an independent committee representing IB and having been through the certification process, I can attest to the fact that a school cannot BS its way through it. It takes five years of preparation to get certified.

    Disadvantages: I'm not sure it's the best program for students who do not like school and do not want to go to college. It's possible that the student could get some experience through the community service requirement but beyond that, it seems strictly a program for the college-bound.
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